Jessie Susannah Karnatz (she/her) aka the Money Witch, brings capitalism-critical, shame-free education to healers, hustlers, and creatives in order to catalyze change in their financial lives. She believes healing our finances will bring blessing to our lives, our lineages, and our communities. She offers education, Money Magic products, and Intuitive Financial Coaching online and in the Bay Area (unceded Ohlone land) and does it all with impeccable business lady style.
In this episode, on the intersections of Money + Magic, we talk about:
[06:53] “Healing your finances”
[16:34] The dynamic relationship between abundance and scarcity.
[22:18] Culture tells us that it’s better to be safe doing the work you don’t like than pursuing what you really like.
[23:03] Why following the formula of each generation and compliance doesn’t necessarily give you success.
[32:29] Taking ownership and responsibility of your finances.
[36:03] Addressing intimacy in your relationship with money.
[44:16] Money is not just material, it is also spiritual.
[52:59] Be aligned with aliveness, align your relationships, and align with your spiritual truth.
[01:02:40] What money magic feels like for Jessie.
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Related Reading & Listening
Find most references mentioned in our conversation by checking out the episode's show notes. But, here are a few bonus resources related to our chat—
If you've followed me for a while, you know I talk about the idea of "living in the gift" often. This is a direct learning from Charles Eisenstein, who I quote at the beginning of this episode and you can take his "Living in the Gift" course here.
I know it has the word "Economics" in it, but don't sleep on my previous episode with Deacon Rodda on "Economics + Design," where we chat about imagining economic options beyond capitalism and socialism.
This might seem a bit out of left field, but the idea of being a "savior" to other people, along with victim mentality, both come up in this conversation. One of my all-time favorite journal articles I had to read in grad school is called "Savages, Victims, and Saviors: The Metaphor of Human Rights." I haven't read it in a long while, but I think it does a good job of explaining how (at least in my words) "colonialism" and white supremacy have completely shaped the way we engage with work and money today.
One of my previous guests, Clementine Morrigan, also talks a lot about attachment issues, which Jessie and I discuss a lot in our conversation.
Money is Love is a book by Barbara Wilder about reconnecting money to the divine through the power of love, thought, and intention, which Jessie Susannah mentions during our conversation. It's out of print, but can still be read as an e-book and an audiobook here.
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