Listen now (170 min) | In this bonus episode of the show, hear Brandi in conversation with Kate Kavanaugh on the Ground Work Podcast. As Kate describes of the interview — "This episode is a long-form podcast between two people that don’t know how to be bite-sized. Often discussed through the lens of paradox where paradox is the answer and not the problem, and pleasure is found in the pursuit of all the questions. In it, Brandi discusses finding purpose in her life as a generalist for whom curiosity is always burning. We talk about aliveness as a North Star for purpose in that, according to Brandi, “Whatever wakes up aliveness is your purpose.” We talk about connection—both connecting disparate ideas and also what happens when we become disconnected and it manifests as illness in our bodies, divisiveness in our culture, and breakdowns in our ecology. Brandi shares about the role of religion in her life and her exploration of the intentional split between matter and the sacred, and how she is reintegrating them. We explore the idea of ‘living in the gift’ and how we can share our gifts with the world and how we can receive the gifts of others."